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    Gruss Ludwig


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    From: Stephen B. Strum MD, FACP
    Medical Oncologist Specializing in Prostate Cancer
    To:
    Worktime for Response: 2 PM to 3:10 PM
    Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:22 AM
    Subject: [P2P] HR- PSA 20 ...Treatments?

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    Material posted here is intended for educational purposes only, and
    must not be considered a substitute for informed medical advice from
    your own physician.
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    Dear Doctors:

    Below is my husbands PC Digest...it is quite lengthy...sorry...I hope it is
    in the format that you request...did my best.

    My questions are at the end..

    He is hormone refractory and has a PSA of 20..and probably ? higher since
    last test. Thank you so very much for being here for all of us.

    Eleanor Walmsley

    Jim PC DIGEST 1993 - 2006

    Michigan
    Initial dx: 2-22-93 210 PSA Age 57

    Back in the 80's, given the number of men I was
    personally seeing with advanced PC being diagnosed in their 50's, I
    advocated that men should begin to develop their "PSA PROFILE" by testing
    STARTING at the age of 40. If there was a family history of either PC or BC
    (breast cancer), I advocated starting testing at age 35. It is almost 20
    years since the PSA has been commercially available. I have seen all kinds
    of nonsense on "PSA having no value", PSA no longer useful", etc. Clearly,
    every one of the treatments we do for men with PC is judged as successful or
    as a failure based on the PSA profile. By "profile" I mean PSA slope,
    velocity, doubling time, absolute value, Free PSA percentage--any or all of
    these to profile the patient's status.

    It does not take a rocket scientist to know if a tumor marker has value or
    not in the diagnosis, prognosis and response to treatment of a particular
    disease. For PC, the most common malignancy in man, PSA IS THE MOST
    IMPORTANT BIOMARKER SO FAR DISCOVERED. What is painful to me is to continue
    to see men diagnosed with advanced PC. THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN NOW--IT SHOULD
    NOT HAVE HAPPENED 10 YEARS AGO OR MORE--AND IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE
    FUTURE. What is involved here is the most basic of common sense. If you see
    smoke--evaluate it's nature--continue to observe to determine if you have a
    fire of importance. A kid in 4th grade could figure this out. Folks, get the
    word out for men to start testing their PSA as noted above, keep a
    record--ideally a graph--to ensure that the slope of the PSA is close to
    being flat. You can also determine the PSADT & velocity by a simple software
    tool available via download at www.pcri.org in the resources, software
    section. This is free; it is called PC TOOLS II.


    Stage D 1 (T3, N2, MO)
    Grade III
    Gleason 9
    DRE: Diffuse bilateral involvement probable right base and
    apical extension.
    TRUS: Gland volume 76 cc :

    This is high risk PC per the categorization of
    D'Amico et al.

    High risk PC: any of these findings at diagnosis
    Gleason score 8 or higher
    PSA > 20
    CS T2c or higher

    Intermediate Risk PC: any of these findings at diagnosis
    PSA >10 < = 20
    GS 7 & not higher
    CS T2b & not higher

    Low Risk PC: any of these findings at diagnosis
    PSA 10.0 or less
    CS T2a or less
    GS 6 or less



    Original Pathology report: ...
    Bladder base, biopsy: Prostatic adenocarcinoma, gleason combined scory 9
    (4+5) involving dense fibromuscular tissue. Seminal vesicle ampulla,
    biopsy: Seminal vesicle and fibroadipose connective tissue, no tumor
    present.
    Prostate, right, biopsy: Fibromuscular tissue extensively infiltrated by
    high-grade prostatic adenocarcinoma. A few residual atrophic prostatic
    glands are seen.

    2-25-93 PSA 304 Treatment: Lupron & Flutamide for 4 months.
    5-19-93 PSA 2.2
    7-15-93 Started Radiation. Neutron/photon protocol. Stayed on hormones.


    Here's where I think the above approach is missing:

    (1) There is high volume PC based on absolute PSA and Gleason score. A
    calculated tumor volume is over 200cc of PC. This is metastatic PC to either
    bone &/or nodes or both--no matter what our staging studies show us.
    (2) The optimal time to use RT is when the tumor burden is markedly reduced.
    Moreover, in a clinical setting such as this, there is NO need to rush to a
    local therapy. Starting RT after 4-5 mos of ADT is not my idea of triaging
    the patient regarding his greatest needs.
    (3) The nadir of the PSA on ADT is of therapeutic value in determining the
    probability of Androgen Independent PC (AIPC), which in turn is an indicator
    of an earlier need for chemotherapy or immunotherapy or both.
    (4) The use of ADT always mandates the need to protect the patient from AD
    (androgen deprivation) induced bone loss & release of bone-derived growth
    factors.
    (5) The evaluation of the patient for metastatic disease should also include
    bone resorption markers like Deoxypyridinoline (DPD) & aminoterminal
    procollagen propeptides of type 1 collagen (PINP).
    For Dpd:
    Quidel Corporation 2981 Copper Road Santa Clara, CA 95051 USA 8 a.m. to 5
    p.m. PST Within the USA 800-524-6318 Outside the USA 408-616-4301 Fax
    408-616-4310 U.S. Sales: brudy@quidel.comPurchasing Questions:
    custsvc.qus@quidel.comTechnical Support: techsprt.qus@quidel.com

    For PINP:
    ||Allow serum tube to sit for 15-20 minutes at room temperature for proper clot formation. Centrifuge and separate serum from cells ASAP or within 2 hours of collection. Transfer 0.5 mL serum to an ARUP Standard Transport Tube. (Min: 0.2 mL) Serum separator tube or plain red. Collect all specimens at the same time of day; there is a diurnal variation of PINP and values are higher at night.


    6. Focus on RT or Surgery in a setting like this takes away from the proper
    emphasis on what is most threatening to the patient--systemic PC.


    9-15-93 PSA: 0.25
    2-15-94 PSA: 0.08
    12-7-94 PSA 0.05
    5-17-95 PSA 0.05
    10-5-95 PSA 0.02

    James did achieve an UD-PSA (undetectable PSA) on
    ADT2 (2-drug ADT) but it took him 2 yrs 8 mos to do so. This suggests a
    problem with mutated clones of PC that would warrant more aggressive
    therapy. Also, I see no mention of testosterone levels while on ADT, nor
    mention of bone integrity issues. No other markers are being checked for
    expression by the PC population--this should have been done at baseline with
    PAP, CEA, CGA & NSE checked. No focus on prolactin was given and this too
    should have been checked.

    Rana A, Habib FK, Halliday P, et al: A case for synchronous reduction of
    testicular androgen, adrenal androgen and prolactin for the treatment of
    advanced carcinoma of the prostate. Eur J Cancer 31A:871-5, 1995.

    University Department of Surgery/Urology, Western General Hospital,
    Edinburgh, U.K

    The present study was undertaken mainly to investigate whether prolactin
    manipulation combined with maximal androgen blockage improves the
    effectiveness of treatment in advanced prostatic cancer. The efficacy of
    oral hydrocortisone as an alternative to commercial anti-androgens in
    reducing the adrenal androgens, and of bromocriptine in reducing the
    prolactin level were also examined. A consecutive series of 30 patients with
    untreated and advanced prostatic cancer were entered into a three-arm
    prospective randomised trial. 10 patients received subcapsular orchiectomy
    alone (arm 1), another 10 had subcapsular orchiectomy plus flutamide (arm
    2), and the remaining 10 had subcapsular orchiectomy plus oral
    hydrocortisone and bromocriptine (arm 3). Clinical and biochemical
    parameters, including trans-rectal ultrasound-determined prostatic volumes,
    hormonal profiles and radionuclide bone scan were evaluated at regular
    intervals. At 12 months, serum testosterone was reduced by more than 90% in
    all arms, however, maximum suppression of androstenedione, prolactin, and
    reduction of prostatic volumes were only observed in arm 3; this was
    reflected by the significant improvement in clinical response in arm 3
    compared with other arms. This study suggests that a combined maximal
    suppression of androgens and prolactin offers a significant improvement in
    response over conventional treatments without prolactin suppression in the
    treatment of advanced prostatic cancer. Importantly, a better clinical
    outcome in arm 3 was still apparent at the end of 36 months.

    Other issues relating to proper nutrition, checking on oxidized LDL levels,
    Vit D-3 levels, essential fatty acid levels of omega-3 & omega-6 fatty
    acids, etc are important aspects to the fine tuning of PC. Please obtain a
    copy of "A Primer on Prostate Cancer, The Empowered Patient's Guide" by
    Strum & Pogliano to read about this and much more; this book was written for
    you--the PC patient & family. The Primer is available via a number of
    sources:

    Amazon at www.amazon.com
    LEF (Life Extension Foundation) at www.lefprostate.org or 1-866-820-7457
    Us Too at http://www.ustoo.com/ or (317-558-4858 or 800-808-7866), or
    PCRI (Prostate Cancer Research Institute) at www.pcri.org or 310-743-2110.


    3-15-96 PSA 4.62
    5-22-96 PSA 8


    The rapid doubling time is indicative of systemic PC.


    6-7-96 He had a CT abdomen/pelvis, ="No definite enlarged retroperitoneal
    or inguinal lymph nodes.

    There is a 1 cm round structure posterior to the right iliac vessels which
    could represent a lymph node and should be followed.

    6-7-96 Bone Scan: increased activity within the anterior aspect of the
    right third rib. This may simply represent a healing rib fracture, although
    other etiologies including a metastatic bone lesion could not be excluded.
    A small focal zone of increased activity within the upper thoracic spine at
    the level of T2-3 may simply represent focally activity degenerative
    change, although other etiologies including a metastatic bone lesion could
    not be excluded.A comparison x-ray of the right sided ribs and upper
    thoracic spine would be helpful.

    6-18-96 Research Study report ... Prostate monoclonal antibody report.
    Patient injected with 5.36 mCi of Indium-111 Capromab Pendetide and
    imaged.. Impression: research study procedure raising concern for recurrent
    tumor just inferior to the bifurcation of the right common
    iliac vessels and just superior to the prostate bed on the right.

    7-2-96 X-ray Right ribs: Multiple views demonstrate no fracture. No
    Pneumothorx. No extrapleural soft tissue thickening.

    7-2-96 X-ray Thoracic Spine: 2 views demonstrate extensive osteophyte
    formation. No evidence of compression fractures or subluxation.

    8-15-96 Switched from Lupron to Zoladex and discontinued the Flutamide.
    9-15-96 PSA 2.58
    6-15-97 PSA 3.00
    9-15-97 PSA 3.49
    Saw a urologist in Arizona


    Your husband's care should ideally be under the guidance of a medical
    oncologist specializing in PC.


    10-15-97 PSA 1.9
    1-15-98 PSA 3.2
    4-15-98 PSA 2.5
    Ret. to Michigan
    5-20-98 PSA 4.3
    10-15-98 PSA 1.9
    The reason for the fluctuation in PSA from the dates of summer months to
    Fall months is the difference in the labs from Michigan to Arizona. For
    some reason they are much lower in AZ.

    There is no reason not to use one laboratory such as
    Quest or LabCorp. These are NATIONAL labs and the testing methodology is the
    same whether the blood is drawn in a LabCorp or Quest facility in Osgosh or
    in Ashland, Oregon.

    Arizona
    1-15-99 PSA 3.2
    4-15-99 PSA 8.0

    Michigan
    6-15-99 PSA 14.4
    Treatment = added Casodex and restarted Lupron
    due to the 3 month regimen)

    9-15-99 PSA 5.5
    Arizona
    10-15-99 PSA 3.3
    1-15-00 PSA 2.8

    Michigan
    5-15-00 PSA 3.6
    8-8-00 PSA 8.5

    Added Proscar
    10-2-00 PSA: 10.6

    Discontinued Proscar/Casodex started lo-dose DES
    1MG daily.
    10-4-00 Bone Scan and Ct scans: The bone scans have shown an uptake in the
    T -2-3 levels but they have always been described as osteophytes. In 2000
    the report stated "most likely related to benign disease."


    I like the use of DES but I routinely use 1mg tid with Coumadin or Lovenox
    onboard. I also take measures to prevent gynecomastia.


    Radiographic correlation may be useful, as neoplasm is not entirely
    excluded." CT of Abdomen and Pelvis were always negative.

    Arizona
    11-15-00 PSA 4.2
    2-6-01 PSA 4.3
    5-2-01 PSA 4.2

    Michigan
    5-23-01 PSA 6.1
    8-1-01 PSA 6.4
    No change in treatment

    Arizona
    11-8-01 PSA 5.62
    2-11-02 PSA 9.52
    3-14-02 PSA 6.8
    3-28-02 PSA 10.6


    I think you have to be grateful for the good years with little significant
    change in PSA. However, the studies above indicate that those times are
    disappearing. Given the high Gleason score, the PSA also can UNDERstate the
    situation regarding tumor volume.


    Michigan
    5-16-02 PSA 14.1
    7-24-02 Had bone scan and MRI of thoracic spine. Result "destructive
    lesions involving T3-4 vertebrae. There is a Hx of prostate cancer nd
    findings are those of metatastic disease until proven otherwise."

    8-12-02 PSA: 19.8
    8-16-02 Treatment.. .. Radiation to the spine prescription dose
    3500/fraction 250- 14 days.
    8-30-02 PSA: 11.3
    9-9-02 PSA: 7.9

    Arizona
    10-31-02 PSA: 2.05
    1-20-03 PSA 1.0
    4-24-03 PSA 3.4

    Michigan
    5-16-03 PSA 7.6
    Had a bone scan --still describing large osteophyte, but does say
    "bone metastasis or uptake of radiopharmaceutical within a tumor is an
    additional consideration when given the patients history." CT of
    Abdomen/pelvis=No definite findings suggesting metastatic disease.

    8-1-03 PSA 18.4
    8-22-03 PSA 19.2
    Went off DES and started Hi dose Casodex 150 per day. Still on Lupron.
    10-1-03 PSA 22.3

    Arizona
    10-23-03 PSA 13.30
    10-30-03 PSA 12.2
    11-06-03 MRI Thoracic Spine= metastasis of T3: tumor expands and extends
    into the left transverse process. Discussed Zometa injections.
    11-18-03 Bone Mineral Density mild irregularity in area of the T3 pedicle.
    Rest is negative. Lumbar spine has severe spondylosis of the lower lumbar
    spine with some minimal wedging of L 1.

    11-21-03 Decision was made for surgery to remove as much of the tumor as
    possible after CT and MRI indicated a large tumor almost surrounding the
    spinal cord.

    The reasoning was to alleviate the possibilty of paralysis, should the
    tumor grow. A titanium cage was put in to replace the vertrebrae and
    titanium rods and screws to support.

    11-24-03 PSA 0.4
    They took as much as they could of the tumor and now are prepping for more
    radiation to the area, to see if they can keep the cells left from growing.

    12-31-03 NM Whole Body Bone scan (Spine Mets) Plain films show no
    radiographic abnormality. Show moderate nonspecific tracer accumulation at
    T3 which corresponds to the site of prior surgery. There is a curvilinear
    area of moderate tracer accumulation extending from the superior left aspect
    of this vertebra. Here uptake here is nonspecific and may simply reflect
    reactive bone in and area of prior surgery. However, the possibility of
    residual neoplasm cannot be entirely excluded. The surrounding upper and
    midthoracic vertebra show generally decreased tracer accumulation consistent
    with prior radiation therapy.
    There are no other sites of abnormal tracer accumulation to suggest
    additional osseous metastasis. Degenerative-type uptake is seen in the AC
    joints, both knees, left greater than right, and both feet. Renal and
    bladder activity within physiologic limits.

    1-07-04 Protascint scan MCS
    #1 No abnormal uptake around the T3 level to match the findings on recent
    bone scintigraphy. Prosthetic devices around the T3 level may limit
    evaluation of subtle residual metastasis.
    #2 Abnormal ProstaScint uptake within the prostatic fossa from prostatic
    carcinoma. Advise correlation with most recent CT exam of the abdomen and
    pelvis.

    1-10-04 Received injection of Zometa. had bad reaction ... likens it to the
    worst case of aching flu ever. Does not want to repeat.


    This is called APR or acute phase response and CAN BE AVOIDED by using an
    attenuated first dose of Zometa or Aredia.

    Adami S, Bhalla AK, Dorizzi R, et al: The acute-phase response after
    bisphosphonate administration. Calcif Tissue Int 41:326-331, 1987.

    In patients who have never previously received bisphosphonate therapy, the
    intravenous administration of 4-amino-1-hydroxybuthilidene
    1,1-bisphosphonate (AHButBP)(Alendronate), 3-amino-1-hy-droxypropylidene- 1,
    1-bisphosphonate (AHPrBP)(Aredia), or
    6-amino-1-hydroxyhexylidene-1,1-bisphosphonate (AHHexBP) induced an
    acute-phase response (APR) -irrespective of the underlying disease,
    manifested by a fall in circulating lymphocyte number and serum zinc
    concentration and in a rise in C-reactive protein (CRP); a febrile reaction
    occurred in 30% of the patients. The APR was maximally expressed within
    28-36 hours of i.v. administration of the bisphosphonates. And disappeared
    2-3 days later despite continuous treatment. These effects were dose
    dependent and the lowest doses necessary for an APR were lO mg of AHButBP
    and AHPrBP, and 75 mg of AHHexBP. Doses up to 1,000 mg/day i.v. of
    dichlormethanebisphosphonate Cl2MBP were devoid of these side effects. In
    patients treated with either a single i.v. dose of amino-bisphosphonates
    which resulted in an APR or with a suboptimal dose, a subsequent challenge
    12-160 days later of the high dose failed to cause a rise in CRP or a fall
    in the lymphocyte count. The desensitization to AHButBP or AHPrBP was also
    seen following pretreatment with CI2MBP. These findings suggest that
    bisphosphonates interact with macrophage-like cells resident in the skeleton
    and stimulate interleukin-1 release which is responsible for the appearance
    of the APR. At the same time, however, the bisphosphonates render these
    cells insensitive to further stimulation for several months. This latter
    observation might be relevant to the long-lasting suppression of bone
    resorption observed after bisphosphonate therapy.

    Since the APR is mediated by release of IL-1, agents that lower IL-1 can
    also be used to prevent an APR.

    INFO ON dR(down-regulation) of IL-1 beta: (THIS IS A BIG SECTION)

    Agents that dR IL-1(senior author):

    Curcumin: Jobin
    Lipitor: Ascer
    Glucosamine: Largo
    PTX: Neuner
    Indocin: Dash
    NDGA: Dash
    Nobiletin: Ishiwa
    Silymarin: Zhao
    TKIs:

    Curcumin:
    Jobin C, Bradham CA, Russo MP, et al: Curcumin blocks cytokine-mediated
    NF-kappa B activation and proinflammatory gene expression by inhibiting
    inhibitory factor I-kappa B kinase activity. J Immunol 163:3474-83, 1999.

    Department of Medicine, Center for Gastrointestinal Biology and Disease,
    University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 27599, USA. job@med.unc.edu.

    NF-kappa B plays a critical role in the transcriptional regulation of
    proinflammatory gene expression in various cells. Cytokine-mediated
    activation of NF-kappa B requires activation of various kinases, which
    ultimately leads to the phosphorylation and degradation of I kappa B, the
    NF-kappa B cytoplasmic inhibitor. The food derivative curcumin has been
    shown to inhibit NF-kappa B activity in some cell types. In this report we
    investigate the mechanism of action of curcumin on cytokine-induced
    proinflammatory gene expression using intestinal epithelial cells (IEC).
    Curcumin inhibited IL-1 beta-mediated ICAM-1 and IL-8 gene expression in
    IEC-6, HT-29, and Caco-2 cells. Cytokine-induced NF-kappa B DNA binding
    activity, RelA nuclear translocation, I kappa B alpha degradation, I kappa B
    serine 32 phosphorylation, and I kappa B kinase (IKK) activity were blocked
    by curcumin treatment. Wound-induced p38 phosphorylation was not inhibited
    by curcumin treatment. In addition, mitogen-activated protein kinase/ERK
    kinase kinase-1-induced IL-8 gene expression and 12-O-tetraphorbol
    12-myristate 13-acetate-responsive element-driven luciferase expression were
    inhibited by curcumin. However, I kappa B alpha degradation induced by
    ectopically expressed NF-kappa B-inducing kinase or IKK was not inhibited by
    curcumin treatment. Therefore, curcumin blocks a signal upstream of NF-kappa
    B-inducing kinase and IKK. We conclude that curcumin potently inhibits
    cytokine-mediated NF-kappa B activation by blocking a signal leading to IKK
    activity.

    Lipitor:
    Ascer E, Bertolami MC, Venturinelli ML, et al: Atorvastatin reduces
    proinflammatory markers in hypercholesterolemic patients. Atherosclerosis
    177:6, 2004.

    BACKGROUND: Reduction in cardiovascular events with statins has been in part
    attributed to their anti-inflammatory properties. OBJECTIVE: Evaluate the
    effects of atorvastatin on levels of inflammatory markers, such as tumor
    necrosis factor-alpha (TNF), interleukins (IL-1 and IL-6), soluble
    intercellular adhesion molecule-1 (sICAM-1) and C-reactive protein (CRP) in
    hypercholesterolemic patients (LDL-cholesterol >160 mg/dL). METHODS AND
    RESULTS: Two lipid-lowering regimens were taken for 8 weeks. One set of
    patients (n=45, 26 men, average 50 +/- 2 years of age) was subjected to
    atorvastatin treatment (20-40 mg/day), plus diet recommendation. Another set
    of patients (n=23, 12 men, average 53 +/- 3 years of age) went through diet
    recommendation alone. Both groups were recommended to perform standard
    physical activity. Plasma samples were collected after overnight fasting at
    baseline and after 8 weeks for ELISA. The use of atorvastatin when compared
    to diet alone, resulted in significant (P <0.0001) reductions for:
    LDL-cholesterol (39.9% versus 4.4%), TNF (21.4% versus 2.9%), IL-6 (22.1%
    versus 2.0%), IL-1 (16.4% versus 2.7%) and sICAM-1 (9.6% versus 0.1%),
    respectively. The percentage of patients with CRP levels >3 mg/dL in the
    atorvastatin group fell from 25.0 to 6.7% (P <0.0001) while in the diet
    group the reduction was not significant. CONCLUSION: In hypercholesterolemic
    patients, atorvastatin, compared to diet alone resulted in significant
    reductions in levels of proinflammatory cytokines (TNF, IL-1 and IL-6) as
    well as in sICAM-1 and CRP. Thus, statin-induced inhibition of inflammatory
    markers may play an important role in the pharmacological and clinical
    effects of statins seen in cardiovascular diseases.

    Glucosamine:
    Largo R, Alvarez-Soria MA, Diez-Ortego I, et al: Glucosamine inhibits
    IL-1beta-induced NfkappaB activation in human osteoarthritic chondrocytes.
    Osteoarthritis Cartilage 11:290-8, 2003.

    OBJECTIVE: Glucosamine sulfate (GS) is a commonly used drug for the
    treatment of osteoarthritis. The mechanism of the action of this drug does,
    however, remain to be elucidated. In human osteoarthritic chondrocytes (HOC)
    stimulated with a proinflammatory cytokine, we studied whether GS could
    modify the NfkappaB activity and the expression of COX-2, a
    NfkappaB-dependent gene. METHODS: Using HOC in culture stimulated with
    interleukin-1 beta (IL-1beta), the effects of GS on NfkappaB activation,
    nuclear translocation of NfkappaB/Rel family members, COX-1 and COX-2
    expressions and syntheses and prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) concentration were
    studied. RESULTS: GS significantly inhibited NfkappaB activity in a
    dose-dependent manner, as well as the nuclear translocation of p50 and p65
    proteins. Furthermore, GS-preincubated IL-1beta-stimulated HOC showed an
    increase in IkappaBalpha in the cell cytoplasm in comparison with HOC
    incubated with IL-1beta alone. GS also inhibited the gene expression and the
    protein synthesis of COX-2 induced by IL-1beta, while no effect on COX-1
    synthesis was seen. GS also inhibited the release of PGE2 to conditioned
    media of HOC stimulated with IL-1beta. CONCLUSIONS: GS inhibits the
    synthesis of proinflammatory mediators in HOC stimulated with IL-1beta
    through a NfkappaB-dependent mechanism. Our study further supports the role
    of GS as a symptom- and structure-modifying drug in the treatment of OA.

    PTX:
    Neuner P, Klosner G, Schauer E, et al: Pentoxifylline in vivo
    down-regulates the release of IL-1 beta, IL-6, IL-8 and tumour necrosis
    factor-alpha by human peripheral blood mononuclear cells. Immunology
    83:262-7, 1994.

    Department of Special and Environmental Dermatology, University of Vienna,
    Austria

    ABSTRACT: Pentoxifylline (PTX) is a methylxanthine compound known to
    inhibit the production of tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), which is
    an important inflammatory mediator. There is also recent evidence that PTX
    may influence other inflammatory cytokines, such as interleukin-1 (IL-1) and
    IL-6. Due to the therapeutic implications, the present study addressed the
    in vivo effects of PTX on the release of TNF-alpha, IL-1 beta, IL-6 and IL-8
    by human peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC). When PBMC were obtained
    from healthy volunteers ingesting 5 x 400 mg PTX orally for 2 days, the
    ability of PBMC cultured for 24 hr to release TNF-alpha was significantly
    reduced, while secretion of IL-1 beta, IL-6 and IL-8 was not affected.
    However, when PBMC were obtained from the same individuals 5 days after PTX
    had been stopped, the release of all four cytokines was significantly
    suppressed. This effect appeared to be exerted at the transcriptional level,
    since Northern blot analysis revealed reduced cytokine transcripts. In order
    to gain more insight into the effect of PTX on cytokine release, PBMC were
    obtained from normal volunteers, either stimulated with lipopolysaccharide
    (LPS) or left unstimulated, and subsequently incubated in vitro with PTX for
    48 hr. Under these conditions, only TNF-alpha was found to be reduced by
    PTX, while IL-1 beta and IL-8 were not affected, IL-6 was even enhanced.
    However, when PBMC were incubated with PTX for 24 hr, PTX removed thereafter
    by medium change and cells further cultured, the production not only of
    TNF-alpha but also of IL-1 beta, IL-6 and IL-8 was reduced, demonstrating
    that PTX exerts diverse (inhibitory) effects on cytokine release by PBMC.

    Indocin & NDGA:
    Dash PK, Moore AN: Enhanced processing of APP induced by IL-1 beta can be
    reduced by indomethacin and nordihydroguaiaretic acid. Biochem Biophys Res
    Commun 208:542-8, 1995.

    Abnormal processing of the amyloid precursor protein (APP) is thought to
    contribute to the formation of amyloid plaques in Alzheimer's disease.
    Several studies suggest that inflammation, and possibly the cytokines
    released during the inflammatory process, may participate in the plaque
    formation. We have utilized a cell culture system to examine the effects of
    the cytokine interleukin-1 beta (IL-1 beta) on the processing of APP. We
    present data to show that IL-1 beta increases the maturation of APP and
    causes enhanced processing of the full length APP isoforms. In addition, as
    reported previously in HUVEC cells, IL-1 beta increases the secretion of APP
    in PC12 cells. Indomethacin and NDGA, reported inhibitors of the
    cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenase pathways, respectively, block these effects,
    suggesting the involvement of prostaglandins and leukotrienes in IL-1 beta
    mediated APP processing.

    Nobiletin:
    Ishiwa J, Sato T, Mimaki Y, et al: A citrus flavonoid, nobiletin, suppresses
    production and gene expression of matrix metalloproteinase 9/gelatinase B in
    rabbit synovial fibroblasts. J Rheumatol 27:20-5, 2000.

    OBJECTIVE: Flavonoids including nobiletin are known to exert many biological
    actions in vitro. We investigated the chondroprotective effect of citrus
    flavonoids, especially nobiletin, using cultured rabbit synovial fibroblasts
    and articular chondrocytes. METHODS: We examined the effects of citrus
    flavonoids on the production and gene expression of matrix
    metalloproteinases (MMP) and prostaglandin E2 (PGE2)production in rabbit
    synovial fibroblasts. RESULTS: Six flavonoids isolated from Citrus depressa
    Rutaceae including tangeretin, 6-demethoxytangeretin, nobiletin,
    5-demethylnobiletin, 6-demethoxynobiletin, and sinensetin suppressed the
    interleukin 1 (IL-1) induced production of proMMP-9/progelatinase B in
    rabbit synovial cells in a dose dependent manner (<64 microM); nobiletin
    most effectively suppressed proMMP-9 production along with the decrease in
    its mRNA. Nobiletin also reduced IL-1 induced production of PGE2 in the
    synovial cells, but did not modify the synthesis of total protein. These
    suppressive effects of nobiletin were also observed in rabbit articular
    chondrocytes. Nobiletin inhibited proliferation of rabbit synovial
    fibroblasts in the growth phase. CONCLUSION: These results suggest nobiletin
    is a novel antiinflammatory candidate that has the potential to inhibit PGE2
    production, matrix degradation of the articular cartilage, and pannus
    formation in osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis.

    Silymarin:
    Zhao J, Sharma Y, Agarwal R: Significant inhibition by the flavonoid
    antioxidant silymarin against 12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol 13-acetate-caused
    modulation of antioxidant and inflammatory enzymes, and cyclooxygenase 2 and
    interleukin-1alpha expression in SENCAR mouse epidermis: implications in the
    prevention of stage I tumor promotion. Mol Carcinog 26:321-33, 1999.

    The flavonoid antioxidant silymarin is used clinically in Europe and Asia
    for the treatment of liver diseases and is sold in the United States and
    Europe as a dietary supplement. Recently we showed that silymarin possesses
    exceptionally high cancer-preventive effects in different mouse skin
    carcinogenesis models and affords strong anticancer effects in human skin,
    cervical, prostate, and breast carcinoma cells. More recently, we showed
    that the anti-tumor-promoting effect of silymarin is primarily targeted
    against stage I tumor promotion in mouse skin (Cancer Res 1999;59:622-632).
    Based on this recent study, in this report, further investigations were made
    to identify and define the biochemical and molecular mechanisms of
    silymarin's effect during stage I tumor promotion in mouse skin. A single
    topical application of silymarin at 3-, 6-, and 9-mg doses onto SENCAR mouse
    skin followed 30 min later with 12-O-tetradecanoylphorbol 13-acetate (TPA)
    at a 3-microg dose resulted in a 76-95% inhibition (P < 0.001) of TPA-caused
    skin edema. Similarly, these doses of silymarin also showed 39-90%, 29-85%,
    and 15-67% protection (P < 0.05 or 0.001), against TPA-caused depletion of
    epidermal superoxide dismutase, catalase, and glutathione peroxidase
    activity, respectively. Pretreatment of mice with silymarin also produced
    highly significant inhibition of TPA-caused induction of epidermal lipid
    peroxidation (47-66% inhibition, P < 0.001) and myeloperoxidase activity
    (56-100% inhibition, P < 0.001). In additional studies assessing the effect
    of silymarin on arachidonic acid metabolism pathways involving lipoxygenase
    and cyclooxygenase (COX), similar doses of silymarin showed highly
    significant inhibition of TPA-caused induction of epidermal lipoxygenase
    (49-77% inhibition, P < 0.001) and COX (35-64% inhibition, P < 0.01 or
    0.001) activity. Western immunoblot analysis showed that the observed effect
    of silymarin on COX activity was due to inhibition of TPA-inducible COX-2
    with no change in constitutive COX-1 protein levels. In other studies,
    silymarin also showed dose-dependent inhibition of TPA-caused induction of
    epidermal interleukin 1alpha (IL-1alpha) protein (39-72% inhibition, P <
    0.005 or 0.001) and mRNA expression. Taken together, the results from these
    biochemical and molecular studies further substantiate our recent
    observation of silymarin's anti-tumor-promoting effects primarily at stage I
    tumor promotion. Furthermore, the observed inhibitory effects of silymarin
    on COX-2 and IL-1alpha should be further explored to develop preventive
    strategies against those cancers in which these molecular targets play one
    of the causative roles, such as non-melanoma skin, colon, and breast cancers
    in humans.


    1-26-04 Complaining of pain in the area of the surgery (T3). Says it is
    muscular feeling, near the shoulder blade along the site of surgery. It is
    worse at night so is taking 2 vicodin at night. Had radiation to the area
    200 rads to 2000 with IMRT for T2,N2,MO prostate cancer.

    2-6-04 PSA 0.5
    No treatment change. Still on Lupron and 50mg Casodex.
    4-19-04 PSA 0.6

    CT Pelvis W contrast: Prostate gland is atrophic likely related to previous
    radiation therapy. Small left infuinal hernia containing a loop of sigmoid
    colon. No evidence of obstruction, No evidence of metastases in the abdomen
    and pelvis.

    MICHIGAN
    5-27-04 PSA 0.6 Testosterone 38 No treatment change.
    8-26-04 PSA 1.2 Testosterone 21
    No treatment change.

    ARIZONA
    12-06-04 PSA 2.91
    12-14-04 Whole Body Bone Scan Impression:
    1. Degree of uptake at T3 is less than prior exam.
    2. Slightly inhomogeneous uptake in lower thoracic spine along the lateral
    aspect.
    Concern about the lower thoracic on the right side, whether it is
    degenerative or osteoarthritic need confirmation on CT scheduled in Jan.
    3.No definite new lesions are identified.
    4.Increased uptake in the projection of the shoulders and acromioclavicular
    joints bilaterally. Knees tarsal bones and ankles compatible with
    degenerative and osteoarthritic changes.

    Two subtle linear areas of increased uptake noted in the left inguinal
    region probably on the basis of urinary contamination.

    1-13-05 CT Abdomen & Pelvis
    No change from the 4-19-04 CT.
    Mild degenerative changes at the costovertebral margins of the T 1 0-12th
    ribs. This likely accounts for the mildly increased uptake on the 12-14-04
    bone scan. No evidence of metastases.

    1-14-05 PSA 6.74
    MR Thoracic spine/Lumbar spine/Cervical spine
    Nothing to suggest recurrent tumor in the thoracic spine. Some
    post-operative changes in the soft tissues dorsal to the thecal sac at
    T2,3,4.and at the resection site of the left pedicle and lamina and
    transverse process of T3. No central canal stenosis and no evidence of bone
    lesions.

    Lumbar-there is no evidence of skeletal metastasis in the visualized spine.

    Cervical- residual scar from surgery , no evidence of metastasis. It is
    impossible to exclude a small amount of recurrent or residual tumor within
    the scar tissue of the operative bed, but there is no focal lesion. The
    signal in the cord is normal.


    2-1-05 BMA
    Lumbar spineBl\1D: 1.081 g1cm2 Ll-2).
    T -score = +0.3 (S.D.'s from peak bone mass).
    Left femoral neck Bl\1D: 0.855 g1cm2.
    T -score = -0.6 (S.D.'s from peak bone mass).
    Left ultradistal radius Bl\1D: 0.463 g1cm2.
    T-score= -1.4 (S.D.'s from peak bone mass).
    When compared to 11-18-03 lumbar spine has =1.7% change.
    Femoral neck has = +0.4% change.
    Ultradistal radius has = -1.5% change.
    None of which are statistically significant.

    2-17-05 PSA 8.97 Stopped Casodex
    3-9-05 PSA 10.98 Prescription for Zocor ..No change in treatment.discussed
    Treatment options.

    MICHIGAN
    5-20-05 PSA 14.6
    Dr.did not recommend chemo at this time, due to lack of demonstrative
    metatastic disease.


    The prostate area appears atrophic; where does the doc in Michigan think the
    PSA is coming from?? This is metastatic disease. What is amazing is how long
    Julian has gone without the use of chemotherapy. He should be treated with
    chemotherapy. He can be tried on HDK first, if so desired.


    7-11-05 Had pneumonia-- in hospital over night.
    7-28-05 Saw Dr. (Heart) no changes in his meds..
    8-16-05 X-ray of thorax for pneumonia
    Results: Increased density in right upper lobe. Probably inflammatory.but
    neoplasm cannot be excluded.
    Thickening of the right paratracheal & paravertebral soft tissues,
    upper aspect of the thorax.

    9-6-05 PET SCAN. Family MD ordered for lungs.
    Results:No suspicious hyper metabolite areas seen in right upper lobe to
    suggest malignancy.

    Increased uptake in upper thoracic spine most likely due to degenerative
    Post surgical changes.
    Increased FDG uptake in the large bowel(ascending colon, =inflammatory
    changes. Should examine??

    9-7-05 PSA 20.6
    10-11-05 PSA 40.4 Dr. recommends Taxotere.

    Finally.


    ARIZONA
    11-02-05 PSA 45.59 Treatment: DES 3mg with coumadin
    11-18-05 PSA 33.25 at Mayo Family Clinic
    1-3-06 PSA 13.47 still on DES
    3-3-06 PSA 8.82 " """


    I often recommend a combination of Taxotere PLUS DES with Coumadin on board.
    Another combination is Taxotere + Pulse Calcitriol. Another is Taxotere +
    Carboplatin =/- DES or Calcitriol.


    MICHIGAN
    5-4-06 PSA 12.4 Stayed on DES
    7-10-06 PSA 17.6 " " "

    ARIZONA
    10-24-06 PSA 20.83 still on 3mg DES.


    Sometimes stopping DES can result in a withdrawal response. Clearly, there
    is a need to change therapy.


    Saw Dr. and he recommended a clinical trial
    The Use of Chemotherapy, Docetaxel (Taxotere),and Prednisone with or without
    a Monoclonal Antibody, Bevacizumab, to Treat Men with Prostate Cancer Not
    Responding to Hormone Treatments.


    That is reasonable.


    A CT will be done on Wed. this week..then we will see Dr. for results on
    Fri. after Thanksgiving.

    11-13-06 Jim in hospital with pneumonia.will probably postpone CT until he
    is stronger.

    11-21-06 Jim is home from hospital with oxygen as his oxygen level will
    not stablize.

    Questons:

    Would you recommend this clinical trial???


    Yes, but Jim has to be off the DES, & the pneumonia completely resolved with
    good oxygenation. Of course, my opinion is of limited value without having
    seen Jim in person.


    Would you recommend ANY clinical trial?/


    There is a Taxotere + Vit D trial but I think Jim is not eligible since
    prior Taxotere. Check Google using word "Asentar".


    Would you suggest other treatments ie...Keto lodose..calcitriol...casodex
    150...potential vaccine (trial?)


    HDK(high-dose ketoconazole) or Nizoral at standard dose is my choice. I am
    not in favor of using the lower dose regimen in light of what I have
    personally seen over 20 years using the standard HDK regimen. Read about
    this in http://prostate-cancer.org/resource/pdf/Is4-3.pdf or obtain a copy
    of the full paper from J of Urology:

    Scholz M, Jennrich R, Strum S, et al: Long-term outcome for men with
    androgen independent prostate cancer treated with ketoconazole and
    hydrocortisone. J Urol 173:1947-52, 2005. PMID 15879788

    PURPOSE: The combination of high dose ketoconazole and hydrocortisone (HDK)
    is active against androgen independent prostate cancer (AIPC). Median
    response times with HDK tend to be brief but a significant minority of AIPC
    patients benefit with extended responses. Well characterized response and
    survival information, especially in the cohort of patients who experience
    these longer, more durable, responses has not been previously reported.
    Characterization of this subgroup is of particular interest since men with
    long-term responses derive the greatest benefit from HDK therapy. MATERIALS
    AND METHODS: The medical records of 78 patients with AIPC treated with HDK
    between March 1991 and February 1999 were retrospectively reviewed. Baseline
    clinical and laboratory factors predictive of prolonged response and
    survival were identified. RESULTS: The median baseline prostate specific
    antigen (PSA) before the initiation of HDK was 25.1. The number of patients
    with zero, 1 to 3, and more than 3 lesions on bone scan were 25, 35 and 18,
    respectively. Median and mean time to PSA progression was 6.7 and 14.5
    months. Median and mean survival time was 38.0 and 42.4 months,
    respectively. Response time and survival were highly correlated (r = 0.799).
    A total of 34 (44%) men had a greater than 75% decrease in PSA. The median
    survival times in men with more vs less than a 75% decrease were 60 vs 24
    months, respectively. In a Cox proportional hazard regression, prolonged
    survival was predicted by percent PSA decrease, extent of disease on bone
    scan and baseline PSA. CONCLUSIONS: Ketoconazole can induce prolonged
    responses, occasionally lasting for years. Long responses are more likely to
    occur in men initiating HDK earlier in the course of disease before the
    cancer burden becomes excessive.


    cytoxan/predisone other???


    There are a number of regimens that involve other chemo agents. A
    comprehensive list is shown below:

    Taxotere + Carbo + Celebrex

    Taxotere + Calcitriol 0.5mcg/kg
    Taxotere + Gleevec

    Taxotere + Clusterin ASO

    Taxotere + Revamid (clinical trial via CTRC.com)
    Taxotere + Gemzar (alternate is Taxol alternating weekly with Gemzar)

    Taxotere + Capecitabine

    Taxotere + Velcade + Gleevec
    Cytoxan + 5-FU + DES + Coumadin (Servadio Regimen)

    Cytoxan + DES + Coumadin

    Leukine + Thalidomide (Leukine dose is 250mcg 4 times per week; Thalidomide
    is 100mg/hs); Lovenox suggested to prevent thrombosis
    Leukine + Accutane or ATRA
    EE + Lanreotide ( ethinylestradiol (EE) is not supposed to cause
    thrombosis; would use anti-coagulant)
    DXM + Lanreotide Q 2wks vs Q wk (Koutsilieris Regimen)
    HDK + HC
    HDK + Triamcinolone

    HDK + Adria

    HDK + Adria + Velban + Emcyt + Coumadin
    Mitoxantrone + Prednisone

    2C4
    Atrasentan vs Bosentran
    Avastin + Taxotere or another chemo combination
    Velban + Mitomycin C weekly (low dose for each drug)

    Oral
    Cytoxan
    Xeloda
    Etoposide

    IV
    Taxotere
    Taxol
    Carboplatin (paraplatin)
    Cisplatin
    Abraxane
    Adriamycin (doxorubicin)
    Novantrone (Mitoxantrone)
    Navelbine
    Velban
    Mitomycin C
    5-FU
    Cytoxan
    Vincristine
    Gemzar (gemcitabine)
    Etoposide (VP-16)

    Taxol or Taxotere followed 24 hrs later by Carboplatin
    Taxane followed by 5-FU
    Adriamycin (24 hr infusion) followed by Zometa (one hour infusion)
    Gemzar followed by 96hrs then Taxotere
    Adriamycin followed by Taxol, then 48hrs washout, then Gemzar (24hr
    infusion)
    Adriamycin(4hr infusion) followed by Taxol (24hr infusion)


    I have heard/read several comments about trying ALL other treatments before
    going to chemo...

    you thoughts?...


    I think Jim has seen just about all major approaches with the exception of
    HDK(high-dose ketoconazole) or Nizoral.


    The Dr. we see here at Mayo clinic is in Hematology/oncology, but his field
    is Interests:Lymphoma,Breast Cancer, Bone Marrow Transplantation,
    Castleman's Disease, Myeloproliferative Disorders.
    It seems none of them here are "PC" specialists..


    That's why I entered this field many years ago--a huge need for this. You
    may wish to get another opinion but first ask your local MD if he will work
    with a medical oncologist specializing in PC from a distance. You could get
    started on a program and then follow it up locally.

    Names of medical oncologists with full practice offices:
    Mark Scholz,& Richard Lam, MDs
    Prostate Oncology Specialists
    4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 101
    Marina del Rey, CA 90292
    T:310-827-7707
    F:310-574-4002

    Glenn Tisman MD Inc.
    13025 Bailey Street
    Whittier, CA 90601
    T: 562-789-8822
    F: 562-698-4582
    E: gtisman@doctisman.com

    Steven Tucker, M.D.
    Director, Prostate & GU Oncology Program
    The Angeles Clinic & Research Institute
    11818 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 200
    Los Angeles, CA 90025
    T: 310.231.2121
    F: 310.231.2172
    E: stucker@theangelesclinic.org
    W: www.theangelesclinic.org
    M: 310-266-3380
    (Tucker is now in Singapore)

    Bob Leibowitz, M.D.
    Compassionate Onc Medical Group
    2080 Century Park E
    Suite 1005
    Los Angeles, CA 90067-2009
    T: 310-229-3555
    F: 310-229-3554
    francine@compassionateoncology.org

    Myers and I only do consultations; we do not have full service offices
    regarding administration of chemotherapy.

    Charles "Snuffy" Myers, MD
    American Institute of Disease of the Prostate &
    Foundation for Research and Education
    P.O. Box 307
    Free Union, VA 22940
    960 Bent Oaks Drive (Office)
    Earlyville, VA 22936
    434-964-0212
    Fax: 434-964-0216
    snuffym@aol.com
    Contact: Rose Myers.
    rosemyers@earthlink.net

    Stephen B. Strum, MD, FACP
    538 Granite Street
    Ashland, OR 97520
    T: (O) 541-201-0219
    Fax 541-482-1284
    stephen@sbstrum.com

    I have extremely strict conditions re: the patients who I accept. Given
    this, and the complexity of Jim's case, and my current work load, I would
    suggest one of the other docs listed above. I wish you well.

    If the above has been helpful to you, consider a tax-deductible donation to
    the PCRI (Prostate Cancer Research Institute). Note that I am no longer
    affiliated with that organization but it is the best one to provide help to
    the man with PC.

    Stephen B. Strum MD, FACP
    Medical Oncologist Specializing in Prostate Cancer

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    #2
    Ludwig,
    was soll das? Meiner Meinung nach gehören solche Marathondialoge nicht hier ins Forum und schon gar nicht auf Englisch. Ich habe es trotzdem oberflächlich durchgelesen und finde keine Anhaltspunkte, die uns hier weiterhelfen können.
    Gruß, Hans-W.

    Kommentar


      #3
      Zitat von Hans-W. Beitrag anzeigen
      Ludwig,
      was soll das? Meiner Meinung nach gehören solche Marathondialoge nicht hier ins Forum und schon gar nicht auf Englisch. Ich habe es trotzdem oberflächlich durchgelesen und finde keine Anhaltspunkte, die uns hier weiterhelfen können.
      Gruß, Hans-W.

      Eine umfassendere Liste an Chemo-Varianten - wie hier von Dr. Strum einem Patienten zur Kenntnis gegeben ist mir in meinen fast 6 Jahren hier noch nicht begegnet.

      Ich, lieber Hans, brauche solche Medikationen wie in der Strum'schen Email aufgelistet, bei meinem Krankheitsverlauf in absehbarer Zukunft nicht, manch einer hier aber möglicherweise doch.

      Eines weiss aber selbst ein weniger gut erzogener Hund:
      " Die Hand, die füttert, beisst man nicht".

      Gruss Ludwig
      Wer nichts weiß ist gezwungen zu glauben.

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IVQ...w?usp=drivesdk

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        #4
        Zitat von LudwigS Beitrag anzeigen
        Eines weiss aber selbst ein weniger gut erzogener Hund:
        " Die Hand, die füttert, beisst man nicht".

        Gruss Ludwig
        Hallo Ludwig,
        Ich habe jetzt keine Ahnung was Du damit meinst und will Dir auch nichts unterstellen. Das macht für mich so viel Sinn wie "draußen ist es kälter als dunkel" in diesem Zusammenhang. Ich bleibe bei meiner Meinung, dass solch lange Beiträge in Englisch besser woanders behandelt werden sollen. Auch Dinge, die man mit guter Absicht macht, müssen nicht unbedingt hilfreich sein, was nichts mit Dir persönlich zu tun hat. Dieser riesenlanger Dialog enthält meiner Meinung nach nichts, was für mich brauchbar wäre und ich bin einer, der demnächst damit zu tun hat und Englisch relativ gut im Griff hat. Wenn Du englisch magst, dann gefällt Dir ev. dieser Spruch "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" aber bitte nicht persönlich nehmen.
        Alles Gute,
        Hans-W.

        Kommentar


          #5
          Hallo Hans-W,

          old tricks don't do the trick - how about them apples?

          Ludwig hat sich mit den Berichten von Dr. Strum seit mehreren Jahren auseinandergesetzt und seine Patientenkompetenz im großen Umfang dadurch entwickelt. Das bedeuted viele Stunden Mühe und das Ergebnis ist fundiertes Laienwissen, freigiebig vermittelt durch einen anerkannten Spezialisten für Prostatakrebs. Auf diese dezidierte Weise berät Dr. Strum Patienten weltweit, kostenlos im P2P Forum. Im Jahr 2004 beriet Dr. Strum auch mehrere deutsche Patienten hier im BPS Forum, inkl. deutscher Übersetzung.

          Der Zusammenhang mit Wilfried ist der wohlgemeinte Versuch ihm Information zu geben, die man am besten im Originaltext liest. Gleichzeitig ist es ein Hinweis auf eine erstklassige Quelle der Information, die uns zur Verfügung steht - ein Patient stellt sich und seine Fragen im P2P Forum vor und ein Arzt (Dr. Strum, Dr. Myers, Dr. Barken) gibt kostenlos Hilfen.

          Für Wilfried kann die Information hilfreich sein und andere werden vielleicht auch einmal auf diese Information zurückgreifen müssen. Jeder von uns kann im P2P Forum mitlesen und anderen das Verstandene dann in diesem Forum weitergeben, so wie Ludwig das selbstlos und in großartiger Weise nun schon seit Jahren tut.

          Gruß

          Günter
          Zuletzt geändert von Günter Feick; 23.11.2006, 22:28.

          Kommentar


            #6
            Na dann mal ran Winfried. Mich betriffts ja auch, aber mit meinem inzwischen "Urlaubsenglisch" traue ich mich nicht ran Ludwig und Günter Feick.

            Grüße

            Siegbert

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              #7
              Zitat von Günter Feick Beitrag anzeigen
              Hallo Hans-W,

              how about them apples?

              Ludwig hat sich mit den Berichten von Dr. Strum seit mehreren Jahren auseinandergesetzt...
              Der Zusammenhang mit Wilfried ist der wohlgemeinte Versuch ihm Information zu geben...

              Günter
              "them apples" sounds southern to me but still a little greek if you can understand what I mean. I can live with Ludwig's intention but still insist that most of us have a problem with such a long and complicated text in english in a german forum site.
              Ich kann damit leben, dass dieser Text für WW sehr informativ ist aber für viele Leser eher schwer zu verstehen ist, deswegen habe ich gemeint,dass ein solcher Beitrag in diesem Falle per email direkt an WW besser gewesen wäre - schon deswegen weil er indirekt an WW adressiert ist. Ich möchte nicht, das wir uns deswegen weiter unnötig unterhalten müssen und werde mich nicht mehr zu diesem Thema äußern.
              Gruß,
              Hans-W.

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                #8
                An die Administration,
                solche Beiträge, die das Forum voll zumüllen und nur von Englisch-Kenner gelesen werden können, sollten in eine besondere Ecke verschoben werden.Sie entsprechen zudem nicht den Forenregeln.
                In anderen Foren werden die Verfasser ermahnt und im Wiederholungsfall ausgeschlossen.
                Gruß
                Hajoke
                "Mein Profil und meine Geschichte" www.myProstate.eu

                Kommentar


                  #9
                  Hallo Ludwig,

                  vielen Dank für Deine Mühe der Recheche und einstellen des Textes.

                  Nach bestmöglichem Überfliegen des Textes kann man nur hoffen, dass sich ein Mitstreiter findet, den Aufsatz zu übersetzen - auch wenn er nicht unbedingt selbst davon betroffen ist.

                  Viele Grüße

                  Hans

                  Kommentar


                    #10
                    Zitat von Hajoke Beitrag anzeigen
                    In anderen Foren werden die Verfasser ermahnt und im Wiederholungsfall ausgeschlossen.
                    Gruß
                    Hajoke
                    Mensch Hajoke, hast Du wirklich keine anderen Sorgen??? Du musst den Beitrag doch nicht lesen, wenn er Dir zu lang ist oder Dein Englisch nicht ausreicht.

                    Gruß

                    Schorschel

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                      #11
                      Hallo (Mit-)Streiter,
                      das war recht unfair gegenüber Ludwig, der sich mit seinem großen Hintergrundwissen um detaillierte Informationen bemüht. Das läßt sich leider nicht immer auf einem silbernen Tablett servieren. Aber Leute in ähnlicher Situation wie Winfried sind froh für solche detaillierten Infos. Auch ich habe mir die Mühe gemacht, das einmal durchzuackern. Eine korrekte Übersetzung wäre aber tagelange Arbeit, die u.U. noch mit Undank belohnt wird, falls etwas nicht ganz richtig ist.
                      Also auch von mir ein Dankschön an Ludwig!

                      Für Winfried:
                      Unter dem Link: www.prostatakrebse.de/informationen/pdf/HDK.pdf findest Du eine umfangreiche Info über die Anwendung von hochdosiertem Ketoconazol + Hydrocortison, (falls Du die nicht schon selber gefunden hast). Ich denke, es wäre auf jeden Fall ein Versuch wert um den Einsatz eines weiteren Chemo-zyklus möglichst hinauszuzögern. Da Ketoconazol sowohl gegen hormoabhängige wie unabhängige PCA-Zellen wirkt, besteht nicht wie bei Deiner jetzigen ADT3-Therapie die Gefahr, daß Du die 1. Sorte Zellen gut bekämpfst während sich die 2. aber ungehindert weiter vermehren. Bei hohen Gleason-Scores besteht eine hohes Risiko das beide Zellformen im PCA (und den Metastasen incl. Mikrometastasen) vorhanden sind. Es wird sogar vermutet, daß die Antiandrogentabletten Nahrung für die AUPK-Zellen sind.
                      Möglicherweise könnte Dein jetziger PSA-Anstieg darin seine Ursache haben. Dein unzureichender Abfall am Anfang der Therapie läßt wie auch bei mir auf eine teilweise primäre Androgenunabhängigkeit schließen.
                      Mir hat übrigens Dr. FE für die Zeit nach der Bestrahlung auch eine Ketoconazol-Erhaltungstherapie vorgeschlagen.
                      Es ist ein Trauerspiel in unserem Gesundheitswesen, das dieses Medikament von den meisten Onkologen noch als experimentelle Therapie abgetan wird, obwohl die ausgezeichnete Wirksamkeit schon längst nachgewiesen ist.
                      Ist es vielleicht zu billig?
                      Viele Grüße
                      PeterP
                      Zuletzt geändert von PeterP; 26.11.2006, 01:16.

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                        #12
                        hallo,

                        ich schliesse mich ohne vorbehalt den ausführungen von g. feick an. wir sollten froh sein dass es leute gibt in diesem forum die sich gedanken machen wie man anderen helfen kann indem sie intensiv recherchieren und die entsprechenden hinweise geben, wenn auch ausführlich oder in englisch (aus den usa kommen nun einmal die massgeblichen impulse). ich finde den hinweis auf ausschluss aus dem forum deshalb sehr unfair.

                        schöne grüsse
                        jürgen m.

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                          #13
                          Weiter so, Ludwig! Danke!
                          Niemand ist gezwungen, einen Beitrag zu lesen, der ihm zu lang erscheint!

                          Gruß,
                          Andreas

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                            #14
                            Ketoconazol und HC

                            Hallo Mitstreiter,
                            um die Ausführungen von PeterP zu ergänzen, nachstehend die Beiträge von Dr.FE v. 20.04.06 und 12.03.06, ferner der Hinweis auf die KISP-Texte (Dr.Lam) und den Erfahrungsbericht von Jürg v. 7.8.06,
                            Grüße von Heinz Kurt

                            Liebes Forum !

                            Herr Voland hat kürzlich bei mir nachgefragt welches Medikament vordringlich zum " off label use" freigegeben werden sollte . Nach Rücksprache mit Dr. Strum habe ich mich für Ketokonazol ausgesprochen,
                            Kurz zum Hintergrund : " off label" Medikamente sind solche die in Deutsachland für eine bestimmte Indikation ( = Erkrankung ) nicht zugelassen sind und deshalb nicht auf einem Kassenrezept verordnet werden dürfen. Ärzte die sich an diese Vorschrift nicht halten laufen Gefahr von den Krankenkassen in Regress genommen zu werden - d.h. die Verordnungskosten selbst bezahlen zu müssen. Das kann eine Praxis in große wirtschaftliche Schwierigkeiten bringen.
                            Auf meiner Hitliste - viele Forumleser wissen das - steht Taxotere ganz oben. Da im Juni im Rahmen der ASCO Tagung ( American Society Of Clinical Oncology ) nun mehrere Studien veröffenlicht wurden die einen Überlebensvorteil für mit Taxotere behandelte Patienten im Vergleich zu einer Standardtherapie ( Novantron ) belegen wird Taxotere auch in Deutschland früher oder später zugelassen werden müssen.
                            Rechtliche und wirtschaftliche Überlegungen sollten aber nicht mit der soliden ärztlichen Beratung kollidieren. Grundsätzlich besteht nämlich Therapiefreiheit. Wenn es ausreichend Belege für die Wirksamkeit eines Medikamentes gibt - und die konventionelle Therapie ausgeschöpft ist - darf der Arzt nach gründlicher Abwägung der Vorteile und Risiken einer solchen Therapie mit dem Patienten auch "off label" Medikamente anwenden.
                            Das wurde auch viele Jahre so gehandhabt. Erst mit zunehmender Geldknappheit haben die Kostenträger gemerkt dass sie ja eigentlich Medikamente bezahlen die sie - streng nach Gesetz - nicht bezahlen müssen.
                            Nun zu Ketokonazol: Die gute bis sehr gute Wirkung von Nizoral gegen den androgen - unabhängigen Prostatakrebs ist in Studien gut belegt ( siehe das Protokoll von Dr. Strum unter Therapie/ Life Extension / Fortgechrittenes Stadium auf dieser homepage ).
                            Hier ein Auszug:

                            Die Behandlung des Androgenunabhängigen Prostata - Karzinoms ( AIPC )
                            Nizoral oder hochdosiertes Ketoconazol (HDK) mit Hydrocortison (HC)
                            Nizoral plus Hydrocortison ist ein exzellenter Behandlungsansatz für Männer mit AIPC. Nizoral hat tatsächlich so viele aussergewöhnliche Effekte gegen beides - ADPC und AIPC-, dass es verwunderlich ist, dieses Medikament nicht als Grundpfeiler in der Initialbehandlung des Prostata-Karzinoms zu finden. Nizoral senkt Testosteron schnell - innerhalb von 48 Stunden - auf Kastrationsniveau - durch Mechanismen, die sich von LHRH Agonisten und Antiandrogenen unterscheiden (siehe das Bild unten nach Trachtenberg et al.).

                            Nizoral blockiert die Produktion von im Hoden produzierten Testosteron und die Androgenvorläufer (DHEA, DHEA-S und Androstendion), die in der Prostatazelle zu T und DHT metabolisiert werden. Da Nizoral auch die Cortisonproduktion um ca. 25 % reduzieren könnte, kann ein kleiner Prozentsatz von Patienten Symptome entwickeln, die einem adrenalen Mineralocorticoid-Mangel gleichen.Die Patienten bekommen deshalb gewöhnlich Hydrocortison zusammen mit Nizoral, um diese potentiellen Nebenwirkungen zu verhindern, aber auch, wegen der bekannten Antitumor-Effekte von Hydrocortison beim AIPC. Die empfohlene Standartdosis von HC ist 20 mg mit dem Frühstück und 20 mg mit dem Mittagessen. Die Patienten können evtl. ihre HC-Dosis reduzieren, wenn die ACTH und
                            Cortisol-Spiegel bestimmt werden.
                            Nizoral und HC beim AIPC
                            Es wurden auch schon vor der PSA-Ära klinische Studien mit Nizoral publiziert. Heute wird
                            PSA als Surrogat-Biomarker für das Ansprechen der Erkrankung benutzt. In der vor PSA-Ära berichteten Pont et al. (J. Urol., 1987), dass bei 88 % von 17 bis dahin unbehandelten Männern mit metastasierendem Prostata-Carcinom die Schmerzen zurückgingen oder verschwanden. Zwei dieser Patienten blieben in der kompletten Remission mit keinen Zeichen der Erkrankung nach 30 Behandlungsmonaten.

                            Muscato et al. (Proc. Am. Soc. Clin. Oncol., 1994) berichteten über ihre Ergebnisse mit Nizoral + HC bei 21 Patienten, die als hormonrefraktär angesehen wurden. 7 (33 %) von 21 Patienten zeigten einen PSA-Abfall über 90 %, wobei 6 von 7 länger als 12 Monate in der Remission blieben (von 14 - 35 Monate). Muscato et al. stellten die Bedeutung eines sauren Milieus, das für eine optimale Absorption notwendig sei, heraus. Nizoral sollte nicht zusammen mit anderen Nahrungsmitteln eingenommen werden; außerdem sei es wichtig, dass Patienten keine H2-Blocker, Carafate und/oder Antazida einnehmen. Muscato et al. zeigten, dass H2-Blocker (Zantac, Tagamet, Axid, Pepcid) oder Protonenpumpen-Hemmer (z.B. Prilosec oder Prevacid) die Absorption von Nizoral bis zu 75 % hemmen können. Trotzdem könnten Nizoral und HC zu den wirkungsvollsten Therapie-Regimen für das AIPC gehören.
                            In einer kürzlich veröffentlichten Arbeit berichteten Small et al. (J. Urol., 1997) über die Ergebnisse von Nizoral + HC bei Männern mit einer progressiven Erkrankung unter Androgenentzug nach Absetzen des Antiandrogens. Von 48 auswertbaren Patienten hatten 30 (63 %) einen PSA-Abfall über 50 % für mindestens 8 Wochen, während 23 (48 %) einen PSA-Abfall über 80 % für mindestens 8 Wochen hatten. Für alle Patienten war der mediane PSA-Abfall 79 % (im Bereich 0 - 99 %). Die mediane Ansprechdauer betrug 3,5 Monate, wobei 23 von 48 Patienten ein weiter anhaltendes Ansprechen zeigten (3,3+ Monate bis 12,8+ Monate). Es wurde kein Unterschied in den Ansprechsraten bei Patienten mit bzw. ohne AAWR gesehen. Das mediane Überleben aller Patienten war bei 6+ Monaten noch nicht erreicht.
                            In einer anderen Veröffentlichung behandelte Small et al. (Cancer, 1997) 20 aufeinanderfolgende Patienten gleichzeitig mit einem Antiandrogenentzug und Nizoral + HC. Der mediane PSA bei Aufnahme in die Studie war 13 ng/ml (von 1,9 bis 1000 ng/ml). 11 von 20 Patienten (55 %) erreichten ihr Ansprechkriterium, das bedeutet mehr als 50% PSA-Abfall. Die mediane Dauer des Response war 8,5 Monate (95 % Konfidenz-Intervall 7 bis 17 Monate) und das mediane Überleben war für alle 19 Monate. Wegen seinen Wirkungen auf das MDR-Gen wurde Nizoral auch in Kombination mit einer Chemotherapie untersucht.

                            HDK in Regimen kombiniert mit Chemotherapie
                            Es ist nicht eindeutig geklärt, ob HDK und HC versus eine Chemotherapie-Kombination verwendet werden sollte. Wir erinnern an deren Synergismus mit Adriamycin und Velban wie auch an die Fähigkeit, eine MDR (Multidrug resistance) zu verhindern. Es gibt zwei Regimen, die HDK in Kombination mit einer Chemotherapie einsetzen. Das 1. war eine Kombination von Adriamycin und Ketoconazol (Sella et al., J. Clin.Oncol., 1994).
                            Das durchaus effektive Sella Regimen wurde in ein Multidrug-Regimen eingebaut - wir haben es das Logothetis-Protokoll genannt (Ellerhorst et al., Clin. Cancer Res., 1997). Dr. Christopher Logothetis hat die zwei aktivsten Chemotherapie-Protokolle in einem Protokoll von wechselnden Regimen kombiniert. Unsere Modifikationen dieses Regimens sind kursiv geschrieben ( siehe Protokoll )


                            Ketokonazol zeigt auch synergistische Effekte in der Kombination mit Taxotere. Viele Onkologen wie Dr. Strum, Dr. Scholz, Dr. Myers verwenden Ketokonazol seit Jahren mit guten Ergebnissen - die leider nicht immer in Studien dokumentiert werden können. Ich selbst verwende Ketokonazol seit ca. 4 Jahren - mit guten Anprechraten auf das PSA - nicht nur kurzfristig sonder z.T. über 2 Jahre !! Bei einigen Patienten sind die Leberwerte angestiegen - haben sich aber nach Dosisreduktion normalisiert ( Prophylaxe mit Silymarin - Präparaten ). Ich haben bisher keine lebensbedrohlichen Nebenwirkungen gesehen.
                            Es ist gerade wieder eine Übersichtsarbeit zu Ketokonazol auf www.pcri.org erschienen. Dies als Beleg dass Ketokonazol keinesfalls aus der Mode gekommen ist.
                            Leider sehe ich keine Anzeichen dafür dass Ketokonazol zur Therapie des Prostatakarzinoms zugelassen werden könnte. Über die Hintergründe kann man nur spekulieren - wahrscheinlich ist es für die Hersteller schlicht wirtschaftlich uninteressant eine sehr teure Zulassungsstudie aufzulegen.
                            In regionalen Selbsthilfegruppen werden und sollen individuelle Erfahrungen mitgeteilt und ausgetauscht werden. Aber bitte machen Sie nicht den Fehler aufgrund einer negativen Erfahrung eines Patienten gleich grundsätzlich die ganze Behandlung abzulehnen. Das gilt für die Therapie mit Ketokonazol ebenso wie für die radikale Prostatektomie.
                            Zum Schluss noch eine Bitte: Nutzen Sie die Informationen auf dieser homepage ( Dr. Strum sagt immer : Sie müssen Ihre Hausaufgaben machen ). Die Übersetzung des Protokolls von Dr. Strum hat mich 3 Monate beschäftigt. Alleine deshalb schon würde ich mir wünschen dass es häufiger gelesen wird.
                            Alles Gute !
                            Dr. F. Eichhorn, bps-Forum v. 20.04.06

                            Lieber Jürg !
                            Wie Sie vielleicht wissen arbeite ich sehr eng mit Dr. Strum zusammen. Er hat mit Dr. Scholz gute Erfahrungen mit Ketokonazol gemacht und diese auch veröffentlicht. Wir verwenden Ketokonazol - auch in Kombination mit Östrogenen oder Taxotere - seit 5 Jahren mit guten Ergebnissen. Man sollte bitte nicht der Meinung sein dass dieses Medikament nicht hilft weil es bei einem Einzelpatienten nicht geholfen hat. Wir sind froh wenn in Studien mehr als 50% der Patienten ansprechen !
                            Einige Hinweise: wir beginnen mit 3x200 mg und steigern die Dosis nach ca. 14 Tagen auf 3x400 mg und geben dazu Triamcinolon 4 mg 1-0-1 ( nicht mehr Hydrocortison ). Das hat einen wissenschaftlichen Hintergrund den ich hier aus Zeitgründen aber nicht näher ausführen kann.
                            Ketokonazol wird im Magen besser im sauren Milieu resorbiert. Deshalb auf leeren Magen oder mit Vit. C Lutschtabletten einnehmen. Man sollte nach Strum den Ketokonazol - Blutspiegel messen um zu wissen ob man im therapeutischen Bereich ist.
                            Es gibt Studien die scheinen zu belegen dass die niedrige Dosis - also 3x200 - mg genau so gut wirkt wie die hohe Dosis - mit weniger Nebenwirkungen. Es können z.B. auftreten: Übelkeit, Leberprobleme ( GOT, GPT messen lassen ) oder auch eine Alkohol - Unverträglichkeit. Ausprobieren !
                            Wichtig: Man sollte mit Ketokonazol beginnen solange die PSA - Werte noch niedrig sind !! Also bei 0,5 oder 1 ng/ml nicht erst bei 30 oder 40 ng/ml !!
                            Der Sonntag gehört eigentlich der Familie . Bitte haben Sie Verständnis dafür wenn ich mich aus Zeitgründen nicht weiter an der Diskussion beteiligen kann !
                            mfg
                            Dr. F.E., lt bps-Forum v.12.03.06
                            Zuletzt geändert von Heinz Kurt; 27.11.2006, 00:30.

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                              #15
                              Danke Ludwig,

                              was davon im Einzelfall sinnvoll ist und was nicht, lässt sich für den Laien nur schwer beurteilen. Es ist außerordentlich schwer, einen Arzt zu finden, der bereit ist, sich in dieses Dickicht zu begeben. Erschwerend kommt hinzu, dass diese nach deutschem Kassenrecht experimentellen Therapien in aller Regel privat bezahlt werden müssten. Da gerät der Normalbürger schnell an seine finanziellen Grenzen.

                              Ich hätte z.B. gerne Taxotere mit hoch Dosis Calcitriol kombiniert, weil ich glaube, dass es da gute Zahlen in Phase-II-Sudien gibt. Man sollte sich aber darüber bewusst sein, dass Calcitriol in hohen Dosen heftige bis lebensbedrohliche Nebenwirkungen auslösen kann. Ich habe jedenfalls keinen Arzt gefunden, der mit machen würde. Deshalb gibt es jetzt Taxotere Monotherapie.

                              Gruß Winfried

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